Violence Begets Violence
It's killing time again in the Gaza Strip. And it sickens me. It sickens me that the Palestinian resistance is so bent on meeting Israel's violence with violence.
Israel is a psychopathic state. It is mass-murderously and criminally insane. It clearly intends to eventually dispossess most of the people living in the West Bank and Gaza. Blind Freddy can see that.
But what really saddens me to the point of despair is that the lunatic strategists on the Palestinian side seem to think that the sustained campaign of indiscriminantly firing hundreds of Katyusha rockets into Israel is anything other than a mad death wish.
I guess the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, and Gandhi cannot penetrate the war-maddened minds of the poor Palestinians. They clearly fail to understand that a massive peaceful people power uprising is the only way they will ever win in their struggle against Israel's evil agenda.
But what would I know... I'm only a fucked-in-the-head Vietnam veteran...
Go on you mad bastards, kill, kill, kill... You're playing right into the hands of the Israelis.
It is to weep...
Israel is a psychopathic state. It is mass-murderously and criminally insane. It clearly intends to eventually dispossess most of the people living in the West Bank and Gaza. Blind Freddy can see that.
But what really saddens me to the point of despair is that the lunatic strategists on the Palestinian side seem to think that the sustained campaign of indiscriminantly firing hundreds of Katyusha rockets into Israel is anything other than a mad death wish.
I guess the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, and Gandhi cannot penetrate the war-maddened minds of the poor Palestinians. They clearly fail to understand that a massive peaceful people power uprising is the only way they will ever win in their struggle against Israel's evil agenda.
But what would I know... I'm only a fucked-in-the-head Vietnam veteran...
Go on you mad bastards, kill, kill, kill... You're playing right into the hands of the Israelis.
It is to weep...
posted by The Editor at
5:54 AM
15 Comments:
I agree wholeheartedly with your last 3 sentences, and mostly agree with the rest of your post, although I would paint a kinder picture of Israel than you do.
A small technical correction: the rockets fired by the Gaza militants are Qassam rockets, which are home made, and fuelled by a sugar - potassium nitrate mix, materials still obtainable in Gaza despite the Israeli blockade.
The Katyusha rockets are (or used to be) fired by militants in Lebanon. You need an arms industry to make Katyusha rockets; the ones fired into Israel were probably made in Syria.
Andrew, they have indeed been firing Katyushas. Google "katyusha" and "gaza". I know they also fire Qassams, but I mentioned Katyushas because they are by far the more serious weapon, and I was in no mood to write a long scholarly dissertation. That is not this blog's style, as you may have gathered by now. :-)
Blind Freddy and I wish to express our deepest sorrow that you do not agree that Israel is a psychopathic state, and that it is mass-murderously and criminally insane, and that it clearly intends to eventually dispossess most of the people living in the West Bank and Gaza. :-)
It appears we are both wrong about the rockets. Qassam rockets can travel about 5km and Katyusha rockets about 20km. The rockets recently fired from Gaza at Tel Aviv missed their target but did travel over 60km.
The Israelis are saying these long distance rockets were supplied by Iran.
One contributing factor to the current flare up is that Hamas presently has a substantial arsenal of rockets, most coming from Libya but some coming from Iran. No matter what the weapon, if it is in good supply, it tends to get used.
Yes, there have been a few ( 4 ? ) Iranian Fajr 5 rockets fired. These have a range of about 90km. But they are massive (6m in length) and therefore hard to smuggle into Gaza and even harder to hide.
Most of the rockets fired in the latest stoush have been
"Grad" type 122mm Katyushas.
And in reference to your original point, witness the Hamas fucks shooting into the air and cheering as the ceasefire came into effect. "Yay, yippee, we win!" What do you mean, you win? "Yay, yippee, Israel has agreed to stop bombing us. God is great!" You witless morons, Israel only started bombing you because you had been firing rockets into southern Israel for months.
If Israel invaded Gaza, grabbed every member of Hamas they could find, shoved them down the barrels of their own rocket launchers and sent them into orbit or beyond, I would pay for my own ticket to go stand on the sidelines and cheer.
The disconnect between reality and the perceptions of Hamas is so great that there is no possibility of healing the breach between Israel and Gaza. I dispute that Israel is criminally insane, but Hamas is demonstrably so.
OK, so it's psychopathic then...
Andrew, the longer version of my reply to your last goes something like this:
You said: "Israel only started bombing you because you had been firing rockets into southern Israel for months." (Which, by the way, is the official Israeli propaganda rhetoric.)
Hamas might counter by saying: "We only started firing rockets after decades of systematic dispossession and oppression."
The Palestinians have endured centuries of brutalisation and radicalisation at the hands of white supremacist Anglo-Saxon "civilisation" pre-1948, and Israeli brutalisation and radicalisation since then.
The Jews (who claim to be a superior people) who established Israel had endured brutalisation and radicalisation at the hands of the Germans who believed themselves to be superior people.
Israel was born out of an ill-conceived act of British (superior people) meddling in Middle Eastern affairs and two Jewish terrorist organisations (Irgun and the Stern Gang.)
Please don't make me vomit by being so blatantly partisan (of the white supremacist flavour.)
The Palestinians have the moral high ground in all of this because they have been sytematically cheated, butchered, brutalised, dispossesssed, and radicalised by a bunch people who came, under the auspices of the British, and stole their land.
More of your Western "Civilisation" spin, no doubt..
You forgot Ben Gurions mob The Hagana, I recall boarding the 'Yeham' with 300 aboard all blokes. Was also involved with four other Illegal Immigrant ships, one of which was the Pan Crescent , 12 of us dealing with 7,000 souls.
Finaly left Haifa the morning of May 14, 1948 amid small arms fire around the port side of the ship, the cruiser HMS Mauritius, the ships two berthing wires were left flailing the dockside.
It was a good feeling leaving that cauldren of hate.
I suppose that would mean I have never been to Israel as such, being it was Palestine when I left.
So from me its a sort of 'been there done that thingy'.
Gerry, you keep accusing me of saying things that I didn't say, and taking positions I didn't take. You need to get the voices in your head to quieten down a bit :-)
The British didn't have anything to do with Palestine, bar a few archaeologists bumbling around in the 19th century, until 1915, when they invaded. Palestine had been part of the Ottoman Empire since the 1500's. Post WW1 the League of Nations granted the UK a Mandate to govern Palestine and Syria.
Zionists (who were Ashkenazi Jews) started migrating to Palestine in the late nineteenth century, and there was already a large population of Jews in Palestine in the 1930's when a huge influx of Russian Jews escaping the pogroms arrived (reportedly in excess of 100,000 people).
When the British surrendered the Mandate in 1948 ben-Gurion and his Zionist fighters immediately declared the state of Israel, which was a land grab on a scale comparable to the invasion of Australia, and when the surrounding Arab nations, together with the Palestinians, declared war, they were decisively defeated.
Every Arab attempt to erase Israel since 1948 has failed (the IDF counts 7 such attempts, but ignores things like Intifadas).
There are two solutions to the present problem: the Ahmadinejad solution, which involves a genocide on a scale equivalent to the Nazis, or the declaration of a Palestinian state, enforced by the UN, which would make Israel's continuing land grabs more blatantly illegal.
Since any civilised person should object to genocide, the formation of a Palestinian state is the only option. This might be achieved by a massive people-power protest, as you suggest; it will never be achieved by terrorism (by which I mean all attacks on civilians).
Any attempt to right past wrongs by killing Jews is doomed to fail, and so it should.
Gerry: Google, Interception of the Pans.
@Vest: Haganah were actually quite moderate by comparison to Irgun and the Stern Gang. And yes, Jews were clandestinely infiltrating Palestine in very large numbers by then with clear Zionist ambitions. The land-grab was on, well and truely.
All of it obfuscated by denials, lies and deceptions.
@AndrewM: Thanks for the history lesson, Andrew. :-)
Don't know why I wrote "centuries", I meant to say "decades".
Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that I'm putting words in your mouth. Care to explain?
If you can't see the pro-Israeli bias in your comments, I'll happily point it out to you.
With regard to solutions, you neatly divert our attention away from the one-state solution (more of that later, if you dare to try to invalidate this as a solution.)
Wishing you a merry Christmas.
Sorry, Gerry, for the delayed response. I've been away, but also I read the " ... thanks for the history lesson ..." bit and failed to scroll down, so I thought that was all you had to say. I should have known better :-)
The bit I am objecting to is this: "More of your Western "Civilisation" spin, no doubt.." It is a complete mystery to me how you can think that. In fact, I don't really understand what you are blathering about, although it sounds like an insult. :-)
I would have thought your mate Blind Freddy would have pointed out to you that while the two state solution I am proposing has the defect that it appears to legitimise the invasion, the one state solution you are proposing has the massive defect that you will never get either party to agree to power sharing, and therefore proposing it is pointless.
Your black and white view that if you are not pro-Palestinian you must be pro-Israeli is simply wrong. If you go back and read my comments a little more dispassionately, you'll see that I am not in favour of either side.
However, I am strongly anti something, and that is psychopaths like the Mad Mullahs of Tehran proposing that the only solution is to relaunch the Holocaust.
Andrew, I have no desire to keep wandering off topic and into semanitc minefields.
The original post was meant to convey nothing more than my frustration with Palestinians who resort to violent means in their struggle against the systematic dispossession and disenfranchisement by Israelis who expertly use every act of violence by Palestinians as an excuse to further their killing/dispossession spree.
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