misandrists can go and get...
I've had it with misandry. Get stuffed all you man-hating FemiNazis. Piss off!
Don't come here. You are not welcome! Go!
If a man goes around bad-mouthing women all the time, putting them down all the time, ranting about the evils of women all the time, blaming women for all his woes, you call him a misogynist and a psychopath. And you'd be right.
But listen to yourselves some time! You're doing the same to us men, ya bloody misandristic psychopaths!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
Note: I previously used the incorrect spellings "misandryst" and "misandrystic" and unfortunately these mistakes recur in my comments. Please forgive... If it makes you feel better, I offer to kill myself...
Don't come here. You are not welcome! Go!
If a man goes around bad-mouthing women all the time, putting them down all the time, ranting about the evils of women all the time, blaming women for all his woes, you call him a misogynist and a psychopath. And you'd be right.
But listen to yourselves some time! You're doing the same to us men, ya bloody misandristic psychopaths!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....
Note: I previously used the incorrect spellings "misandryst" and "misandrystic" and unfortunately these mistakes recur in my comments. Please forgive... If it makes you feel better, I offer to kill myself...
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Well, there goes this blog's chickmagnet status...
Okay, now I'm sure of it: you're moving into a Serious Stirring phase, aren't you? :)
What you're talking about is sexism, and it remains sexism whichever sex/gender is dishing it out.
I haven't noticed a sudden herd of misandrysts rushing in here (and I didn't previously know they WERE called "misandrysts", either). Have you been madly deleting, or are they just hanging around sneering at you silently?
Gerry, I wish you the best in trying to come up with a topic this Rocker deems insulting.
Actually, I've have been privy to many more emotionally scarred men than women. I've decided, throughout the course of my own self-pity, that men and women are even. Not equal, even.
For every twenty guys who 'hit it and quit it', there's one good guy who finishes last. He finishes last because he decides that extending the 'hit it and quit it' relationship is worth experiencing emotional turmoil.
I didn't make the rules, they've been set by example.
I read this and thought, 'He's been to Copperwitch' and I was right. It's just that this particular Senate committee is loaded against women. The issue is whether RU-486 should be approved by the TGA or by the Minister for Health, Tony Abbott and that's where it should stay, on topic as the bear is wont to say. There are plenty of good men out there and plenty of bad women. Look at Davo and Ron and then there's you.
You were right, JahTeh, it was prompted by your post.
As I said, I agree with your proposition that women should be able to choose on the subject of abortion. So I would vote for it.
But I can't let you get away with your anti-male propaganda.
You said: Women demand the right to choose... You forgot to point out that not all women agree with you. You presume to speak for all women. What are the for/against ratio among women?
...not what men want to impose on us. Again, many men are only too happy to agree with you. I'm one of them. I resent being tarred with the same brush as those who oppose you.
Even your rant about Catholics overlooks the fierce debate within Catholicism on this subject.
Take it from one who's really really good at it, you are alientaing a lot of allies with your hating, screeching, unfairly generalising stereotyping.
I don't know, but I imagine that even the committee you condemn so all-embracingly had members on it who were on your side.
Of course, what the f*ck would I know... I'm just a purulent woman hating male...
If you were a woman hating male you wouldn't be yelling at me for generalising. I didn't rant at the Catholics I just reported what the man said. I'm new at putting words on screen so if you want good articulation then read 'Suki has an opinion'. It seems that I haven't yet got the balance between speaking softly and screeching loudly. I'd like your opinion on what Barnaby Joyce has to say on the subject though.
I will now piss off and sort through my naked men photos for a truly offensive to males blog entry.
Even your word verification is agin me.
There have been 2,000 years of Patriarchy. Men have done THIS! If you don't like it that's tough.
Women have a perfect right to speak out and goodnes knows that right was hard enough won.
Don't think that the 60 or so years of "freedom" given to women makes us as culpable as men concerning the state of the world because it doesn't.
Deirdre, No, not stirring, just trying to get some women to understand the difference between standing up for their rights and falling into the trap of becoming the same as those whom they condemn.
Rocker, I'm not trying to insult anyone who doesn't deserve to be insulted. It's me who's feeling insulted right now.
JahTeh, I'm trying really hard to hate you but I can't quite manage it...
MD, there's a difference between standing up for your rights and being a misandryst.
What do you mean by "men have done THIS?"
MD, How am I denying women the right to speak out?
And you're doing it right now, MD, by generalising about men in a derogatory way. That's misandry righ there. If I were to be hurling derogatory statements about women in general, you'd pretty quickly be labelling me a misogynist, I reckon.
I'm just asking women who slag off at men generally with every second breath to either find ways to remove the unfair generalisations
from their speech or to learn to be happy being called by their correct label.
Men have caused the division between the sexes, by forming society the way they did.
I wasn't being derogatory about men, Gawd Almighty ~I LOVE MEN~!
I also didn't say you you were denying women the right to speak out.
I do think you were a bit mean to JT by taking what she wrote so personally, but as we are all caught up in Babylon systems that is understandable.
Peace Brother?
MD, I tell you what, I'll now restate what you have just said in a more truthful, non-misandryst way. See if you can spot the difference:
"The men who formed and maintained this patriarchal society caused women to be subjugated. All through history there were women who fought against the subjugation of women and always there were men who were sypathetic to their cause."
When you generalise in the misandrystic way that you do, you include all good men in what you call bad and you also then deny the good which men have done in helping women gain more freedom.
Your freedoms would never have been won without the support of many very courageous, wise, and outspoken men in power. So cut the crap generalisations, ok?
We men are always told that if we generalise in a derogatory way about women, that this is a misogynist trait. Well, old chook, if that's true, and I sure have been convinced by the "experts" that it is, then guess what, the flip-side is also true! Misandry is its name!
I wasn't being derogatory about men, Gawd Almighty ~I LOVE MEN~!
Hah! Do you know what the classic misogynist says? He says "I wasn't being derogatory about women, Gawd Almighty ~I LOVE WOMEN~ !"
And yes, I believe you were implying that I was trying to prevent women from speaking out. You said If you don't like it that's tough./Women have a perfect right to speak out and goodness knows that right was hard enough won. Did I infer incorrectly?>
And now you accuse me of being mean, merely because I'm exposing misandry wherever I find it in the blogoshhere. All of a sudden, if it's about women's bullshit, we mustn't engage in Ambush Blogging. Go back and read how I defined Ambush Blogging. Get back to me with any problems you have about that.
Peace? Why do you ask? Did you think this was war, my friend? No, I'm only trying to teach my sister not be a misandryst. Surely such endeavours are motivated by love? Hmmm???
it's late and I'm tired, call me what you want, I've probably been called worse.
I don't believe the kind and wise men thing, why would men give a damn when they're all right jack?
Yes it is a crass generalisation but don't tell me men haven't gone along with the way society is for their own benefit because they most certainly have.
Perhaps you should have a think about what has actually been done to women over the years, up to and including enforced hysterectomies because they were "over emotional".
We are all victims, but in my opinion if women speak out they shouldn't be called names for doing so.
Many men are frightened of strong women, and rightly so becaise if and when we ever do get a real voice, without Bablylon Systems kicking in, we are a force that could change the world.
You may infer or assume anything you want from what I have written but remember assumtion is the mother of all fuck ups.
Personally I think you over reacted in the first place and have now entrenched yourself.
Saying I am the equivelant of a misogynist is just silly Gerry and not true!
Trying to claim that I should be grateful to men for my birthright is also a pile of crap, if women hadn't fought and died for the limited freedoms that do exsist in society today we wouldn't have even these.
No Mate, although i will stand shoulder to shoulder with my brother I will not respect him unless he earns it!
MD, it seems to me that your misandy is hampering your reasoning faculties. Let's look at what you say:
Yes it is a crass generalisation but don't tell me men haven't gone along with the way society is for their own benefit because they most certainly have.
So why, after having the wrongness of your sweeping generalisations regarding men pointed out to you, do you still peddle them? Instead of the generalisation "men" why not use terms like "some men" or "many men" or, if you can back it up with acceptable evidence, "most men". All of these alternatives are acceptable and not indicative of misandry, but to insist on using the sweeping generalsiation "men" is starting to look like a deliberate intent to label all men for the crimes of some, and that is unacceptable.
...in my opinion if women speak out they shouldn't be called names for doing so.
Get a grip, woman. Really. Get a grip. I'm not calling you names because you are speaking out. (I assume you mean the label "misandryst".)
Initially I did not use it aimed at any particular woman at all. I was describing a particular trait of *some* women. Then you and JahTeh came in to the debate this and actually used misandryst language all over the place. I did not make you do that. You did that. Own it! I used the label not because you were speaking out, but because of the way you were languaging your issues with men. Please get the facts right before spraying your venom at me.
Many men are frightened of strong women,...
Correction: "*Some/many/most* men... Please stop including men who are supportive of womens' rights in your man-hating diatribes. As a man, I find it offensive.
...and rightly so because if and when we ever do get a real voice, without Bablylon Systems kicking in, we are a force that could change the world.
Women already *are* a force to be reckoned with, but alienating men who are supportive of your cause with your sweeping generalisations is not helping you. And what's this "Babylon Systems" stuff? If you want me to factor that into this debate, you'll need to explain it to me. Google is not much help.
You may infer or assume anything you want from what I have written but remember assumtion is the mother of all fuck ups.
Show me where in this thread I have made an inference or assumtion which is unreasonable and I will retract it with an apology attached.
Personally I think you over reacted in the first place and have now entrenched yourself.
Any thinking person reading this thread would, I assert, deem you to be the more entrenched. You are
still trying to defend the indefensible. A sure sign of a person in denial.
Saying I am the equivelant of a misogynist is just silly Gerry and not true!
I'm saying you are using misandrystic language. I think it's self-evident that your language is misandrystic. If you are not a misandryst, change the way you language your issues regarding men. But whilst you continue to use misandrystic language, after repeatedly being shown examples of how you do that, tends to make one think that you *are* a misandryst. If you're truly not a leopard, then get rid of your leopard spots is what I say.
Trying to claim that I should be grateful to men for my birthright is also a pile of crap,...
There you go again, *still* using the sweeping generalsiation "men". I was trying to claim no such thing. I was saying that (especially before women got the vote and also before there were women politicians) there were *many* male politicians who supported women's rights. How else would they have got a *majority* vote in all-male parliaments? Women did not gain their rights without the help of good men. And I resent your slurs to the contrary and/or the way you try to obliterate this vital fact.
...if women hadn't fought and died for the limited freedoms that do exsist in society today we wouldn't have even these.
True. No argument there. And you needed, initially, a majority of the men in parliament to push them through. Your steadfast refusal to acknowledge this fact is starting to look like a classic case of misandry.
No Mate, although i will stand shoulder to shoulder with my brother I will not respect him unless he earns it!
I have no problem with that. The reverse is also true, and having seen your misandyst venom, you'll have to clean up your language quite a bit to earn mine. This guy takes no shit! No way! Never!
Over to you...
And before the kneejerking here results in serious injury, I differentiate between "feminists" and "FemiNazis". In my view, feminists fight for womens' rights without using language which alienates reasonable men. FemiNazis are man-haters (cover or overt) who are AT WAR with men, and their language is offensive to men who are supportive of womens' fight for rights. Can you spot the difference?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
In case I have to spell it out to you - it's all in the languaging...
Yeah Right whatever,
It seems to me the only blog you have ambushed here is your own.
Call me what you want, as you don't know me it hardly matters does it?
I know that It is not in me to be as unkind to men as they have been to me.
So play your stupid name calling games I'm off to work in the revolution.
Well, if you're not going to clean up your language regarding men, f*ck you too, ya cranky shit! Sheesh!
Deirdre and Rocker, I'm not ignoring you. I just don't know how to respond to your coments. Anyway , it might be wise not to walk onto the battlefield right now. Could get hit by crossfire... Then again... ;-)
FYI The word Mysandryst does not appear in Cambridge, Merriam-Webster, your dictionary.com etc
Are you making this up as you go along?
In any event I'd like to know who appointed you my judge and jury? by what authority do you attempt to judge me?
As for potitical correctness What has been politically correct about the way I have been treated, as a woman, in society, by men?
As for crankiness, pot calling kettle black!
MD, the correct spelling is misandryst. I hope this helps.
No It's no it's ~ misandrist ~ which appears in two dictionaries worldwide!
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-phi1.htm
You bloody obscure pedant!
MD, you said: As for potitical correctness What has been politically correct about the way I have been treated, as a woman, in society, by men?
My dear misandryst (note spelling) friend, AGAIN you insert your vile generalisation. When you finally grow a brain, you will go "D'oh, I meant to say 'SOME men'."
I have no patience left for people who read comment after comment with their defensive shields cranked-up so high that they are no longer actually cogniting to what is ACTUALLY being said.
Sorry...
Ok, MD, you win if it's about spelling. I thought it was about something entirely different. I apologise for my spelling errors. Sorry, who did you say the pedant was again???
So now having reduced the debate to quibbling over spelling, you think you've achieved anything? [sigh]
No Gerry,
I didn't mean to say some men at all. I know what I meant and once again assuumtion makes an arse of you.
If you don't have the patience to conclude a debate you shouldn't have started it should you?
As for not addressing issues raised I am still waiting to find what credentials you have for judging me and by what authority?
MD, if you didn't mean to say "some men", pray tell, what did you mean? Come on, it can't be too hard. It's either "some men" or "all men". I'm not the arse here.
I have the patience,MD. Do you have the brains?
Credentials for judging you? Why, dearest, they are no less than the credentials you have for judging "all men" when the whole frigging universe knows you actually mean "some men".
Authority? An Anarchist asks me to claim to have authority? Nice one, MD, but I'm not that silly...
Now I'm a bit more up to speed. I read your post at face value. I didn't read JayTeh's blog first (forgot it was feature week.)
Taken from answers.com: "Some feminists believe that, while misogyny is a social disease, misandry does not exist."
This better illustrates my idea that men and women are even, not equal. Each gender has its advantages or disadvantages depending on the playing field.
You're right, Gerry. A FemiNazi cannot accuse men of being misogynistic while simultaneously denying the existence of misandry. (No insults given or taken)
MD, I'm calling you 'Dr. MD' from now on.
Rocker, I take it then that you agree with the point I so badly made?
In defense of feminists, I need to add that some probably fall into the trap (as indeed I do on many occasions) of using sweeping generalisations. No problem. That's just human nature. But "feminists" who refuse to issue a mea culpa when challenged on their sweeping generalisations regarding men, should not then complain too loudly if they are re-labelled as FemiNazis.
After all, we do live in an age where correct labelling is vitally important, what with the sudden increase in hyperallergies and all that... ;-)
I just noticed that Suki has removed her link to this blog. Ouch... That hurts... I wonder if it's because I spoke out against misandry... I guess I'm a misogynist now... [sigh]
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