Nothing in this blog can be believed. If you think that anything in this blog is true or factual, you'll need to verify it from another source. Do you understand? No? Then read it again, and repeat this process, until you understand that you cannot sue me for anything you read here. Also, having been sucked into taking part in the mass-murder of more than 3 million Vietnamese people on behalf of U.S. Big Business "interests", I'm as mad as a cut snake (and broke) so it might be a bit silly to try to sue me anyway...

Tuesday, March 01, 2005

thanks leunig...

Just replace "Iraq" with "Vietnam" and the story's the same one...

So many opinions, so little experience...

Fuck the lot of you arseholes...

Oh yeah, you read the "right" books, hang around the "right" group, dress the "right" way, see the "right" movies, write the "right" stuff, AND YOU'RE A FUCKING EXPERT ON WORLD AFFAIRS!!!

Get fucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Blogger the urban fox said...

Good grief. I knew I'd have some catching up to do, but still... Nice cartoon!

March 01, 2005 3:41 AM  
Blogger suki said...

If you go who will laugh at Dana Vale with me? And she surely needs to be laughed at by lots of people!

I hope you come back.

March 01, 2005 7:30 AM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Hi Fox, good to see you're alive and (hopefully) well.

Suki, when you're prepared to deal seriously with the questions I put to you instead of just adopting a bigot's self-righteous "stand", I'll be happy debate things with you. But not on your blog. Here, where it's not safe. Here, where, if you avoid a point of debate I can expose you for what you are. But this environment would not suit you I suspect. Far too dangerous... And impolite. And rude. And barbaric. And your crap would get killed.

I've had it with the politeness one must display on other people's blogs so I will not post any more shit there.

I will shit here. I love shit. Shit is good. Politeness is evil. And I can't do it anyway, so there!

March 01, 2005 9:46 AM  
Blogger bogan-A said...

I find the question you guys were arguing about a bit of a quandrary too- I hoped you'd pop back over to suki's and give my attempt at an answer a response.

It can be hard being on a particular side of politics and posing questions that counter the prevailing staus quo of opinion.

It needs to be done though, because there are definately sacred cows on the left that many aren't comfy addressing or questioning. Anything to do with abortion is one, 'positive discrimination' v equality is another.

And we can all join hands at the end of it and laugh at Dana Vale...

March 02, 2005 11:24 AM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Martin, as I said to weezil (but the weasel has not yet taken me up on it) I would debate it further on this blog. I'd done enough damage over there.

You have matters you wish to debate here, Martin? :-)

March 02, 2005 1:38 PM  
Blogger bogan-A said...

Fine, make me go all the way over there, copy it all up, and...



I'm in two minds about immediate withdrawal as well, despite being strongly anti war.

However I do strongly feel that it was a US stuff-up, which we entered out of a sense of obligation to the US and our alliance, which the US alone has the responsibility to fix. No, I don't think everyone should pull out immediately- I think the US should continue to wear the costs of the mess they made, and should also pump large amounts of cash into the nascent democracy.

There is something deeply wrong with the US approach of cajoling us into a war, then wanting us to get in deeper as it goes down the unpleasant and violent path so many of us predicted.


I'll update this by saying there is a very persuasive piece you would like by Mark Steyn, linked to from 'special sauce' blog, linked from currency lad, yob etc, you'll have to go find that one!

Although I find Steyn less than pleasant, I must admit his argument that the Iraqi election could be the Arab world's equivalent of the Berlin Wall was persuasive.

March 02, 2005 6:10 PM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Martin, about the US, I think the US should be kept their to fix up their mess and to tie up their troops so they don't go causing any more trouble elsewhere. I also think they can be kept honest by leaks from their own troops, by how the other allies intereact with them. It would even be lovely if by consesus the UN were brought in to run the show and that the Yanks were were thus put back in their place. But I'm dreaming... :-)

And yeah, the US should fix this mess at their own cost and they should be made to pay compensation to Iraquis.

About the US cajoling us to go to that war, I dream of the day an Australian prime minister tells the Yanks to fuck off and shuts their bases down to boot. Those c*nts have GOT to be stood up to. When is Australia going to find some courage? Since federation we have not yet stood on our own two feet. I admire New Zealand in that reagrd.

Gave up trying to find the right Steyn piece, but I'll take your word for it. And I agree that the elections are the best thing that's happened in that part of the world, never mind the fact that the elections were imposed. What's imortant is that the Iraqi's are embracing a kind of democracy and even if it's not ideal, it's a beginning on which better things can be built.

March 02, 2005 8:46 PM  
Blogger Gerry said...

I do NOT believe that this is the second time recently that I have written "their" when I meant to write "there". I do NOT do that. What's going on? And I hate Blogger comments for not having an editing function.

March 02, 2005 8:49 PM  
Blogger bogan-A said...

their they're mate, no kneed to bee upsette.

Here, read this for a distraction, see I went and found it for you:

March 03, 2005 12:48 PM  
Blogger Gerry said...

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March 03, 2005 1:43 PM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Thanks, Martin. Interesting. And maybe the many mass anti-war demonstrations of the last two years have impacted the middle east consciousness as well?

And maybe my blog is what tipped the ballance?

March 03, 2005 2:11 PM  

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