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Saturday, June 02, 2012

Obama's Vietnam bullshit #1

OK, readers, you get first bite at the cherry.

 I'll give you one week to comment on what you think is bullshit in Obama's speech (previous post) before I bore you to death with my opinions.

Go !!!


Blogger phil said...

As one of my staff regularly says to me, "words are cheap Phil."

Mind you I don't get it so often now, so I must have stopped bullshitting as much as I did previously.

Some others are paid to do it.

I didn't go there, Gerry, I'll wait for your views.

June 02, 2012 4:10 PM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Phil, your choice to not voice an opinion is respected, but I do wish people would stop pussyfooting around this sort of topic.

A flaw in what you just said is that it implies that only veterans could have valid opinions on Obama's speech. That takes us close to the argument that only veterans should opine about war.

I suggest that this is sophistry. Dangerous sophistry.

It is the sort of sophistry that never questions the wars we have fought in, and paves the way for the official propaganda to stand unchallenged, i.e. that all wars we have fought in were good, just, and necessary wars.

I further suggest that it paves the way for future generations of well-meaning sign-ups to be sent to stupid wars ad infinitum.

I'd rather take the risk of offending veterans' feelings than let my silence give tacit approval to the patriotic claptrap that gets millions killed for the dodgiest of reasons.

June 03, 2012 7:19 AM  
Blogger AndrewM said...

Dear Lord, was there a schlock button he didn't press? No wonder he got to be president.

However, his central thesis that we should honour the warriors and their sacrifice no matter whether the war itself was just or not accords with my own thinking. If you want to blame the soldiers for the war then you must give them the freedom to refuse to participate. I can't see that happening any time soon.

On the other hand, if a war is unjust, everybody should stand up and say so. Obama managed to allude to that idea without ever once saying it; his problem is that the USA has never admitted to a foreign policy mistake and never will. The American zeitgeist is that whatever they do is God's will and therefore correct.

June 03, 2012 9:42 AM  
Blogger Vest said...

I dont doubt for a moment that he that is Obama concocted this speech.

June 03, 2012 10:45 AM  
Blogger AndrewM said...

Vest, I think you are using 'concoct' in an unusual way. Of course Obama is the author of this speech; nobody else has his sense of oratory. But I suspect you mean something else; can you amplify?

June 03, 2012 4:58 PM  
Blogger phil said...

Yeah OK then.

AndrewM's last para - appeals to God always do it for me, and this from a country that hates Islam for what its preachers preach. World class hypocracy.

I guess everyone expected more - or different - from Obama, and that didn't eventuate.

June 03, 2012 8:33 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

Politicians rarely write speeches, most dont have the time to spare from their other important activities such as black tie junkets and extra marital boudoir romps.

June 05, 2012 11:13 AM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Vest, you said "Politicians rarely write speeches". True. But they are the ones who spend hours rehearsing their delivery. They are the ones uttering the statements. Therefore they are the ones responsible for ensuring their speech's integrity. And they can and should be held to account.

June 05, 2012 12:03 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

Quote of the Earl of Birkenhead early 20th century.
[Of Winston Churchill] He has devoted the best years of his life to preparing impromptu speeches.

June 06, 2012 4:21 PM  

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